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Today's Topics:

   1. ACGA 1/11/07 Teleconference is full (Betsy Johnson)
   2. Re: Seed lists, regional varieties (Don Boekelheide)
   3. Re: Burpee Seeds - alternatives (Gwenne Hayes-Stewart)
   4. Urban Open Space Online Course (Betsy Johnson)
   5. Re: Sample garden plan plot guides (Don Boekelheide)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:50:45 -0500
From: "Betsy Johnson" <betsyjohnson at speakeasy.net>
Subject: [Community_garden] ACGA 1/11/07 Teleconference is full
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We can accept no additional registrations for the Thursday Teleconference
Workshop on the Community Food Projects Grant program.  A recording of the
teleconference will be available for downloading from ACGA's website by
early next week.

Betsy

Betsy Johnson

Executive Director

American Community Gardening Assoc.

617-267-5280  betsyjohnson at communitygarden.org

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 06:43:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Don Boekelheide <dboekelheide at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Seed lists, regional varieties
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Hi, all,

Thanks, Sharon, for that nice job alphabetizing!

Regionality - even more, matching specific
microecologies - is very important, Brian. Solomon
organizes his list by region. You may have noticed
that many of my choices are from the South or
Southeast.

The best way to get truly locally adapted varieties is
to find old timers near you who save seed. That's what
David Bradshaw has been doing so well at Clemson - he
has varieties dating back to the Civil War. Makes
sense that all of us become seed savers in our own
home and community gardens, too.

That's not to say there isn't a place for seed
companies. I too have had excellent results with some
Italian seeds, testing for Organic Gardening.

Conversely, you can't just buy a commercial 'heirloom'
and expect wonderful results. For instance, finding an
excellent Brandywine tomato (such as the
Quisenberry/Sudduth strain) takes some doing - and is
worth it. For more detail, check out
www.victoryseeds.com/information/craig_brandywine.html
(did we list Victory Seed?)

Some types of seed are much easier to save than others
- there's an excellent project for a community or
school garden.

Don Boekelheide
Charlotte, NC

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:12:28 -0600
From: "Gwenne Hayes-Stewart" <Gwenne.Hayes-Stewart at mobot.org>
Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Burpee Seeds - alternatives
To: "Lexie Stoia" <lstoia at fpconservatory.org>,	"Don Boekelheide"
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We at Gateway Greening HIGHLY recommend Baker Creek.  That is our main
resource.  We also love Ronnigers for spuds and garlic.  Both are very
generous companies.  Gwenne

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[mailto:community_garden-bounces at list.communitygarden.org] On Behalf Of
Lexie Stoia
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:40 PM
To: Don Boekelheide; community_garden at list.communitygarden.org
Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Burpee Seeds - alternatives

Here's another great source:

Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds, based in Missouri.
http://www.rareseeds.com/
They sell only heirloom varieties.
Their selection of seeds is great and their catalog has news stories
related
to GMOs.
Also check out their magazine
http://www.rareseeds.com/index.php?page=magazine

Lexie

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[mailto:community_garden-bounces at list.communitygarden.org]On Behalf Of
Deborah Mills
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:20 PM
To: Don Boekelheide; community_garden at list.communitygarden.org
Subject: [SPAM ?] Re: [Community_garden] Burpee Seeds - alternatives

Don,

Great information. The only one I see missing (in my book) is:

Seed Savers Exchange www.seedsavers.org

They are a non-profit organization based out of Decorah, Iowa. They have
an
interesting story behind the start of their organization.

This has been an interesting dialogue from both Adam and Don. Some of
you
old timers might remember I attended the American Seed Trade Association
back in the 90's. I was a panelist representing the home gardener and
voiced
their concern's about labeling seeds, whether or not if they were GMO,
open
pollinated, etc.

Upon my arrival to the conference I felt like a fish out of water. I
stayed
in my room most of the time because they people were a bit scary to me.
The
day we had our panel discussion at lunch I was seated at the table with
some
of the top dogs from Monsanto. One executive asked me point blank, "Why
would anyone want to grow their own food". Need I say more.....

On another note, I had met several of the owners of the different
companies
discussed and I agree on all fronts. Cooks is one of my favorites too.

Below is a link to SLO's community forum where I posted my article,
"What
brings life out of a seed?" I had a few great responses to it also. I
posted
this because of recent issues in my county about farmers and GMO's. So
if
you have an interest visit:

http://pod01.prospero.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=236.1&nav=messages&webtag
=kr-
slotm&redirCnt=1

All my best,
Deborah Mills

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From: "Don Boekelheide" <dboekelheide at yahoo.com>
To: <community_garden at list.communitygarden.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Burpee Seeds - alternatives

> Thanks for the info, Adam.
>
> Well, that stinks.
>
> Steve Solomon, founder of Territorial Seeds, has a
> list of recommended seed companies in his book
> _Gardening When It Counts_ . It's an interesting and
> worthwhile read, though he's pretty harsh dealing with
> John Jeavons and double digging. There'll be a review
> in the next ACGA newsletter (so join ACGA if you
> haven't already, and you'll get a copy).
>
> Anyway, Solomon's list is:
>
> Stokes Seed, www.stokeseeds.com
>
> Johnny's, www.johnnyseeds.com (a great outfit!)
>
> Veseys Seed, www.veseys.com
>
> William Dam Seeds, www.damseeds.com
>
> Harris Seeds, www.gardeners.harrisseeds.com
>
> King Seeds, www.kingsseeds.com.nz (Aust/NZ)
>
> Southern Exposure Seed Exchange,
> www.southernexposure.com (real friends for Southern
> gardeners, always at our local sustainable ag
> conferences)
>
> Park Seed, www.parkseed.com (local to me - great field
> day in June if you are in SC)
>
> Territorial Seeds, www.territorial-seed.com (best
> catalog cover art, I always look forward to getting my
> copy)
>
> West Coast Seeds, www.westcoastseeds.com
>
> Chase (along with Thomson&Morgan and Suttons, all big
> UK seed companies, he gives no website but they should
> be easy to find). I've used T&M, it was easy and
> inexpensive to order from the US, but that was before
> 2001. Solomon likes Chase best.).
>
> Organic Gardening Catalogue, www.OrganicCatalog.com
> (UK)
>
> Nw Gippsland Seeds, www.newgipps.com.au (Australia)
>
> Plus Solomon recommends these suppliers (edited list -
> to see all, buy his book...):
>
> Fedco, www.fedcoseeds.com
>
> Peaceful Valley Farm Supply, www.groworganic.com (They
> are a mainstay, even though I now live on the opposite
> end of the US, wish we had a Southern version).
>
> Renee's Seed, www.reneesgarden.com
>
> Ronnigers, www.ronnigers.com (for spuds)
>
> Select, www.samen.ch (Swiss)
>
> Personally, I also like and use:
>
> Wilhite Seed, www.wilhite.com (Texas-based, good
> international collection too)
>
> Wyatt-Quarles, www.wqseeds.com (local Carolina
> company)
>
> Kitawaza Seed, www.kitazawa.com (best Asian seed
> selection, very reliable)
>
> The Cook's Garden, www.cooksgarden.com
>
> Dr. David Bradshaw, S.C. Foundation Seed Association
> (864) 656-2520. Recently retired, Dr. Bradshaw has
> been
> gathering and sustaining historic varieties for 2
> decades at Clemson U. Great resource!
>
> Hida Tools, www.hidatool.com (best for horihori,
> Japanese field hoes, all kinds of good solid tools)
>
> Anybody else have any suggestions for good seed
> sources (or stuff sources) - or reviews of mine? Let's
> vote with our dollars.
>
> Don Boekelheide
> Charlotte NC
>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:36:50 -0500
>> From: adam36055 at aol.com
>> Subject: [Community_garden] Burpee Seeds
>> To: community_garden at list.communitygarden.org
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>>  FYI -
>>
>> Adam Honigman
>> NYC
>>
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.idigmygarden.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2245
>>
>>
>> A recent merger now announced says that W.Atlee
>> Burpee & Co. Seeds has accepted a deal to be bought
>> out by Seminis. This will mean that from the
>> beginning of 2007 onward, Burpee will be operated as
>> a subsidiary of Monsanto (a.k.a. Monsatan) Co.,
>> which has already bought out Seminis. Seminis and
>> Burpee were the two largest American seed companies
>> not affiliated with Monsatan until both were
>> recently bought out by the multi-billion-dollar
>> corporation.
>> Burpee & Co. was started in 1876 when 18-year-old
>> Washington Atlee Burpee started a small seed
>> business with the help of his mother. The business
>> took off like a space shuttle, and supplied money to
>> buy a second seed-growing farm in California (in
>> addition to the Burpee's famous Fordhook farm in
>> Pennsylvania). They also built "The House" at
>> Fordhook (which looks simply like a huge farmhouse
>> but is a mansion inside), and converted the old
>> family farmhouse to a seed-cleaning facility.
>>
>> Behind the scenes, W.A. Burpee was an alcoholic. His
>> drinking led to his untimely death in 1915, at the
>> age of 49. His son David Burpee, aged 22, left
>> Cornell University to take up the reins of the
>> company.
>>
>> David Burpee became the P.T. Barnum of the seed
>> business, famous for his use of bells-and-whistles,
>> smoke-and-mirrors advertising hype. He made
>> hybridization mainstream in the seed industry, and
>> helped develop chromosomal modification, a
>> predecessor technology to genetic engineering.
>> In 1991 Ball Co. bought out Burpee seeds. The Ball
>> leadership conflicted often with Jonathan Burpee
>> (heir to the company fortune), so they fired him in
>> 1993 and took away the money that he would have
>> received after retirement. Burpee & Co. began to use
>> Fordhook less for trials, and the California farm
>> more.
>> It is unknown as of yet what the Monsanto/Seminis
>> buyout will do to Burpee Seeds.
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:13:06 -0500
From: "Betsy Johnson" <betsyjohnson at speakeasy.net>
Subject: [Community_garden] Urban Open Space Online Course
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The Urban Landscape and Garden Development program at UMass Boston
recognizes the growing interest in the greening of the urban environment and
the importance of creating and sustaining green spaces in cities. The focus
of the program will be on the urban setting and its public and private green
spaces. Special attention will be given to community gardens and the
knowledge required to create and maintain them.

This is a non-credit online certificate program. Upon successful completion
of each course, you will receive 3.5 CEUs.

For more information, go to
http://ccde.umb.edu/corporate/urbanlandscape/courses/

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:28:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Don Boekelheide <dboekelheide at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Sample garden plan plot guides
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Hi, Sharon,

Funny thing - I'm right now doing a design for an
expanded garden in Charlotte, so this is very timely.
I look forward to hearing from everyone about plot
size.

Sharon, before talking about that, I have to say that
paths, gathering places, a communication board of some
kind, locating water and emergency vehicle access
(also works for compost/bulky stuff loads) are all as
important as plots. Close behind, maybe tied, is some
place to go to the bathroom. The fenceline, if you
have a fence, is also a design issue, so is the gate.

If folks want to see it, I can post my notes so far on
plot design and size. I'm leaning toward 20x20s (or
24x24s) that can easily subdivide into 10x10s for
gardeners wanting smaller plots. This is a drive-to
garden in a park, total size about 1 1/2 acres.

Don Boekelheide
Charlotte, NC

Message: 5
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:37:38 -0500
From: "Sharon Gordon" <gordonse at one.net>
Subject: [Community_garden] Sample garden plan plot
guides
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Does anyone do a sample garden plan for their standard
size plot(s)?
If you
do would you point me to a link for the plan or let me
know how I could
look
at a sample?

Here's an example of one from the UK and some related
informational
guides.
Their standard plot size is 30 by 91 feet.

http://www.earthlypursuits.com/AllotGuide/DigforVictory1/DigForVictory1_1.ht
m

http://www.earthlypursuits.com/AllotGuide/AllotGuide.htm

Sharon
gordonse at one.net

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