[Community_garden] Speaking of Fidel's fifedom...
Mike McGrath
MikeMcG at PTD.net
Sat Jan 13 16:58:39 EST 2007
An interesting side note:
On next week's show (www.youbetyourgarden.org), I interview a woodpecker
expert (about preventing house-pecking) whose side line is searching for the
elusive Ivorybill. "Have you EVER seen one of these almost-extinct birds", I
asked?
Oh yes, he said; in the mountains of Cuba, where there are apparently
quite a few.
---McG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah Mills" <landscapediva at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Mike McGrath" <MikeMcG at PTD.net>; <ecojunky at hotmail.com>;
<community_garden at list.communitygarden.org>; <adam36055 at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Let the games begin...
> Mike,
>
> I agree with you...we are revisiting the second "Green Revolution" in our
> life time. The first was with the advent of DDT (where they use to
> advertise it in TV commercials...DDT is good for you and me...)
>
> I strongly feel (this is my opinion) that until world government changes
> the "have and have not's" will always be kept separately. Until leaders
> change their policies there shall always be world hunger regardless of how
> many seeds there are in the world.
>
> We did the biggest favor to Cuba by cutting them off years agao....they
> are truly a part of the Green Revolution with-out the assistance from us.
>
> That's what I like about this list server....we all (sometimes) agree to
> disagree.
>
> All my best,
> Deborah Mills
>
>
>> Disagree.
>> This phony 'Green Revolution' #$%^ requires the yearly purchase of
>> seed--at-least hybrid and perhaps GMed seed--and lots of chemical inputs.
>> The real answer to world hunger is a combination of sensible
>> population control (especially with lots of old farts like me trying to
>> live forever) and home gardens that grow local, adaptable, seed-savable
>> crops.
>>
>> And they make Roundup.
>>
>> But I like you, Adam--so I'll tell ya what: Let's
>> settle on Beelzebub and call it even.
>>
>> ---McG
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: adam36055 at aol.com
>> To: MikeMcG at PTD.net ; ecojunky at hotmail.com ;
>> community_garden at list.communitygarden.org
>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 3:02 PM
>> Subject: Re Monsanto: Giving the "Devil" his Due
>>
>>
>> Mike et al,
>>
>> As an organic gardener, I'm not enamoured with genetically modified
>> anything, largely because of the "you never know the consequences of some
>> scientist's gene splice and the idea of patented life forms is really so
>> sci-fi" factor, but as you know, seedsmen have been hybridizing for
>> years, using traditional methods.
>>
>> Asparagus, as we know it, was originally a grass and the work done with
>> the original Mexican Dahlias, and all of the plant varieties we grow
>> organically, via the old methods shows the work of thousands of human
>> minds working with the material of nature. Humans playing with the
>> handiwork of God, albeit organically.
>>
>> Having looked the Devil in the face more than a few times in my life I
>> feel that Monsanto, as a huge multi-national may not qualify for the
>> category of high-class demonization, i.e., "The Devil". Maybe not even
>> the minor demonization of the C.S.Lewis "Scratchtape," variety.
>>
>> Monsanto is a large multi-national company that sells genetically
>> modified seeds that may work for ill ( as many of us feel, including me)
>> or may fool us all as the kind of product that may feed millions in a
>> world increasingly short of water and arable land.
>>
>> And, with the way that all of us right thinking organic folks have been
>> banging their gongs, Monsanto has (oh, I know this will start a storm of
>> controversy) actually been doing some good on a national and
>> international basis -
>>
>> For real.
>>
>> Please go to Monsanto.com ( this lousy computer at work won't let me cut
>> and paste the link) and look at some of their foreign and local
>> initiatives - some of it is propaganda, I mean, it "is" their website,
>> but look at it with a little bit of care. There is some real good being
>> done -
>>
>> Again, I've seen the devil's face more than a few times in my life, as
>> have most of you. We may choose not to use their seeds ( I don't) but I
>> keep demonizing for real devils - like the one I see in the mirror, every
>> day.
>>
>> Your pal,
>>
>> Adam Honigman, also known as....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MikeMcG at PTD.net
>> To: ecojunky at hotmail.com; community_garden at list.communitygarden.org
>> Sent: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:00 AM
>> Subject: [Community_garden] Seeds of Change = 3 Musketeers?
>>
>>
>> Hey Dave--
>> Howie Shapiro, who has some fancy VP title these days, is also an old
>> friend of mine, like the folks at Burpee (David T of J.L. Hudson too; and
>> I
>> tried to be friends with Johnny's Rob Johnston but he wouldn't have me!)
>> Anyway, yes, the M & M Mars thing is very true. I was in touch with
>> Howie a lot around that time. If I recall correctly, a young member of
>> the M
>> & M family was big into organics and saving the earth and loved SoC (who
>> wouldn't?). He approached them and over time they agreed to a deal that
>> gave
>> them a big infusion of much needed cash, better retail distribution and
>> access to all kinds of basic good business advice. And the mission not to
>> change anything on their end.
>> Other than prettier packages and catalogs, SoC hasn't changed a
>> bit--but
>> the reverse can't be said; Howie has been over in the rain forests busily
>> working on organic chocolate production!
>> Best, McG
>>
>> PS: But Monsanto IS The Devil.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Thomas" <ecojunky at hotmail.com>
>> To: <community_garden at list.communitygarden.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Seed List and Regionally Specific Seeds
>>
>>
>>> about that seed list...
>>>
>>> i've been playing catch-up and have read the past couple weeks of
>>> listserv
>>> digests in the last hour or two and wanted to make a couple comments
>>> with
>>> respect to this seed thread that seems to have been "all the rage" these
>>> past few days.
>>>
>>> Seeds of Change, i believe, is owned by M&M/Mars corp. don't think that
>>> was
>>> mentioned and thought it may be of interest to folks. it is also
>>> possible
>>> that this info is out of date.
>>>
>>> source: corporganics.org
>>>
>>> i have little experience with burpee or soc. mostly have dealt with
>>> fedco,
>>> johnny's, renee's, bountiful gardens, territorial, seed savers
>>> exchange...
>>> i would probably favor territorial currently, living in nw oregon as i
>>> do.
>>>
>>> with respect to regional specificity (not sure who originally posted the
>>> inquiry, but i recall them wondering specifically about "soil type"):
>>>
>>> i would say soil type would be less of a concern than other climatic
>>> variables (humidity, temperature, rainfall) due to the fact that a lot
>>> can
>>> be done to amend the soil (and make up for lack of rain via irrigation,
>>> for
>>> that matter - more difficult to deal with too much rain), thereby
>>> changing
>>> physical and chemical properties of a native soil.
>>>
>>> although i haven't been here long, i'm told seeds originating from the
>>> UK
>>> perform well here in the pacific northwest due to a similar maritime
>>> influence (rainy, temperate, etc.) i imagine seeds originating from the
>>> mediterranean would do well in southern california, etc.
>>>
>>> as has been mentioned, matching microclimates and finding gardeners who
>>> have
>>> been saving seed in your area for a while (and ultimately saving your
>>> own
>>> seed) would be ideal.
>>>
>>> dave
>>> portland, or
>>>
>>> (an urban gardener and sometime small-scale commercial farmer with a lot
>>> to
>>> learn)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:36:10 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Don Boekelheide <dboekelheide at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Burpee
>>> To: community_garden at list.communitygarden.org
>>>
>>> Thanks, Mike, for the Burpee inside story.
>>>
>>> Guess we need to put Burpee back on our list...
>>>
>>> Don Boekelheide
>>> Charlotte NC
>>>
>>>
>>>
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