[Community_garden] old tires never die....
David King
greenteach at roadrunner.com
Sat Mar 22 11:12:56 EDT 2008
Wait... You're trusting the EPA to be the ultimate truthsayer in this
debate? Pardon me, but their track record is simply abysmal, as Mike
points out.
Mike is right - especially where the health of humans is concerned. Even
IF there are studies showing the safety of this stuff, we have to be
extremely circumspect because those studies exist in a very short
timeline. What happens when your grandchildren start to eat from this
garden and the fact that this is recycled tires has been forgotten - like
20 years hence. There is NO study showing something down the road that
far. AND, we know the stuff is in the tires. Why would one even consider
putting it into a garden? That's where the line needs to be drawn. In my
garden, the mere mention of tires in the garden would be a complete
non-starter. No one would even agree to discuss it - we have enough
toxicity in our environment (we are located on a major Los Angeles
Boulevard) without importing it. And frankly, I'd be looking for more
things to remove toxicity from our environment (i.e. non-polluting
fertilizers and pesticides) vs. ANYTHING that would add to it. Even if
it's merely a possibility! There is a LOT about this world we don't know
and in our hubris we turn to scientists who really don't know as much as
they would like to claim.
Skepticism must be the watch word: it is our health and the health of our
children and their children. This is not a light matter.
david
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:37:58 -0700, Mike McGrath <MikeMcG at PTD.net> wrote:
> well, its clear that you've already made up your mind to use it, as it's
> highly unlikely that such information exists and even if it did, would
> never
> have the absolute certain negative findings you seem to demand. In the
> name
> of common sense and public safety, I would instead demand the
> opposite--show
> me leaching and soil tests from previous uses that PROVE its safe to use.
> (Don't forget that the wonderful EPA you're counting on is the same
> agency that approved DDT and the emission levels that are melting our
> fine
> planet's ice caps.)
> Understand as well that this stuff could smell real bad; the
> playground
> mulch they make from old tires stinks like hell in the summer.
> ---Mike McG
>
> PS: And needless to say, I would leave your garden over this if I had
> been a
> member....
>
> oh and finally,
>
> PPS: I repeat once again on this lest--why are our gardens always seen as
> the solutions to someone else's toxic waste problems?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wade Zawalski" <wadester at gmail.com>
> To: "Linda Casto" <lindacasto7430 at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: <community_garden at list.communitygarden.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] growing potatoes in old tires
>
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Our community garden (www.growregina.ca) is in the process of rebuilding
>> after we lost our previous 11 acre 275 plot community garden site. The
>> new
>> 3.4 acre site has been made available to us on a permanent basis in a
>> city
>> park. The site is smaller but we have been fortunate to have recieved
>> significant corporate sponsorship. As result we have some money to
>> spend
>> on
>> a nice clean garden design. The new design is based around 60 - 40 x 40
>> foot square plots (with 4 - 6 gardens each) and this will require
>> approximately 2 miles of garden edging to separate the 40 foot blocks
>> from
>> the gravel pathways. We are in discussion with a tire recycling company
>> who
>> may be able to manufacture rubber garden edging from recycled tires.
>> The
>> goal is to produce a very durable 1" x 6" garden edging for
>> approximately
>> $1.00 linear foot. We are also eligible for a matching $5000 grant from
>> the
>> agency that collects recycle fees on every tire sold in our province of
>> Saskatchewan.
>> Ok. So here is my question. According to the EPA recycled rubber
>> products
>> are permissible for garden mulch and edging... does anyone have any
>> valuable information concerning the safety of recycled tire edging in a
>> garden. We are not interested in opinions based on rumour and inuendo
>> but
>> factual information that might give us guidance on the suitablility of
>> recycled tire garden edging. Unless you can quote real scientific data
>> that
>> links to health risks save your trouble. We are seeking fact
>> (documented
>> and reliable) not opinion which will be ignored. Thank you in advance
>> for
>> your assistance. Presently we are going with the EPA assesment unless
>> anyone can make a convincing case (this means scientific papers,
>> measurements, etc.).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> W.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Linda Casto
>> <lindacasto7430 at sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A member on a garden website I belong to is recommending growing
>>> potatoes
>>> in old tires.
>>>
>>> I know there are contaminants that come from old tires but I don't
>>> remember what. (This was in a discussion in the last week or so).
>>>
>>> I'd like to be able to post something in response to this
>>> recommendation
>>> letting folks know what kind of contaminants they are turning loose in
>>> their
>>> gardens.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Linda Casto
>>> Glenwood UMC community garden
>>> Columbus, Ohio
>>>
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