[Community_garden] old tires never die....

[tiger mountain]

to whom it may concern,
let all be fine and well,  community garden directors have a large
task of making lovely spaces for our communities, but there is much
more to consider. community gardens are one of the few open spaces
left in our towns and cities, with the exception of private property.
this land is not ours, it belongs to future generations. when
community gardens take the environmentally harmful approaches
"cheaply" available, they cheapen our cities and towns. next thing you
know there will be ugly things as far as the eyes can see, and dont
worry about those pesky little bugs, someone erected an artificial
border and they starved.

see?

this is also called "green washing". no matter what the ends dont
justify the means.


  On 3/24/08, Alliums <garlicgrower at green-logic.com> wrote:
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>
> Wade (and everyone else):
>
> Don't discount practical experience when making a decision for your
> community garden. If this edging is so wonderful, get the funder/provider
> to give you the names of folks that are actually using it -- and then follow
> up with them and find out their experience. You specifically want to know
> -- does it have an odor in summer? (a total non-starter for a public area)
> -- does it create "heat islands" that will affect plants (something your
> gardeners should be warned about) and how much maintenance does it REALLY
> take (also critical for a public area).
>
> My guess from your post is that your community garden is considering this
> item because it's low cost and you believe that it will reduce your
> maintenance around the edges of your community garden -- a worthy goal as
> neatness in the edges does make the public and funders happy. (If I'm wrong
> here, you can jump in, but that's the thesis I'm running with.)
>
> Wade, the maintenance-free perimeter is the "holy grail" of public outdoor
> spaces. And, unfortunately, like the Holy Grail, it ain't been found yet.
> If this stuff did what you are hoping it would do, even Mike (who I consider
> a personal friend) wouldn't tone his rhetoric one bit on the toxin issues
> (because that's who he is and we really don't want him to change), but he'd
> be taking snipes at "people who want perfect perimeters at any cost." And
> notice that he isn't saying that. And no one on the list is speaking up for
> the product, saying that it is has reduced their maintenance, looks nice,
> etc. You discount the practical experience of those on this list to your
> peril.
>
> As someone who has responsibility for 3 different outdoor recreation
> projects (community garden, labyrinth and dog park), I know we struggle with
> border maintenance yearly. However, it's been my experience (18 years --
> good heavens -- what have I done with my life! ;-), that nothing beats
> either mowing or organic-based borders. Why? Because a human with a
> trimmer has a better sense of what to keep and what to whack and over time,
> organic borders (logs, wood chips, etc) melt into the soil while inorganics
> age oddly and end up looking like misplaced garbage. And anything that
> looks like short-haul dumping is the enemy of a welcoming public space (and
> tends to encourage others to dump things, which means you end up spending
> even more time on border maintenance when all anyone wants to do is play
> with the plants in their plot.).
>
> Black plastic and landscape cloth have legitimate uses in sustainable
> agriculture, but we don't allow them in our community garden because even
> the most experienced gardeners have found that they require more maintenance
> that expected for the results -- and if not maintained properly, they look
> awful! It's usually the new gardeners that want to use it because they
> think they won't have to weed again -- and they get very discouraged when
> the weeds pour out of the holes. Since they had unrealistic expectations
> from the plastic, they get discouraged and leave -- then the rest of us have
> to pull the plastic out of the plots which is a lot of work we'd rather not
> be doing. So, after a few of the experienced gardeners tried it and
> realized it wasn't working for them, either, we banned the stuff totally.
> For us, using wood chips over newspaper make have to be reapplied yearly,
> but if someone abandons the plot, the worms deal with it, not us. And that
> allows us to spend time on the plants that we enjoy, rather than "common
> area maintenance" which in my experience, gardeners prefer not to do.
>
> So, Wade, I suggest you follow up very, very carefully, because I very much
> doubt this rubber edging is going to save you the time you think it is --
> and I'd be saying that if it was virgin rubber, rather than old tires. I've
> read far too many catalogs touting "Maintenance Free" that wasn't (for both
> home gardeners and municipal parks) to believe any of these claims.
>
> Dorene Pasekoff, Coordinator
> St. John's United Church of Christ Organic Community Garden and Labyrinth
>
> A mission of
> St. John's United Church of Christ, 315 Gay Street, Phoenixville, PA 19460
>
>
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