[Community_garden] Pathways
Madelyn Corey
community at wasatchgardens.org
Fri Mar 28 18:30:30 EDT 2008
We also use woodchips for our pathways, that are donated by a tree
trimming company. Instead of weedcloth or wood we lay down cardboard,
water it, then put the woodchips on top. This is an effective week
control method but it does have to be redone every year.
Madelyn Corey
Community Education Coordinator
Wasatch Community Gardens
801-359-2658
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> 1. path construction (Vinnie Bevivino)
> 2. Re: path construction (Mike McGrath)
> 3. Composting at school (Liesel Carlsson)
> 4. Re: Composting at school (Mike McGrath)
> 5. Re: path construction (Ray Schutte)
> 6. Re: path construction (Linda Casto)
> 7. Wood Chips (GivenTrees at aol.com)
> 8. Re: Composting at school (Linda Casto)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:31:14 -0400
> From: Vinnie Bevivino <bevivino at umd.edu>
> Subject: [Community_garden] path construction
> To: community_garden at list.communitygarden.org
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> We're redoing our paths at the Master Peace Community Garden, and I
> wanted to ask what people have had success with.
>
> Last year, our first year, we made woodchip paths, both wide "main"
> paths for wheelbarrows, and woodchip "secondary" paths to divide the
> plots. We had a hard time fighting bermuda grass, and the problem is
> that it just grows through the woodchips and when you weed them half
> of the woodchips ends up underground. We wasted a lot of expensive
> woodchips this way last year. We have rebuilt out "main" paths using
> landscaping fabric with woodchips on them, and then lined with brick.
> But we're scratching our heads about the "secondary" paths that serve
> as borders between the paths.
>
> Our best idea is to use 10x2 lumber, laid right on the ground. We
> have a local store that sells reclaimed wood from deconstructed
> buildings, and its great hard wood, not treated. It would presumably
> last for a long time (5 years?). It gives us the weed protection, and
> the semi-permanence (we can move it around if we want, but it isn't
> going anywhere). Its also fairly cheap.
>
> Does anyone else have any better ideas? Has anything worked, or not
> worked, in hotter areas that have horrible weed problems?
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Vinnie Bevivino
> Community Garden Educator
> The Engaged University
> Food Stamp Nutrition Education Program
> University of Maryland
>
> The Center for Educational Partnership
> 6200 Sheridan Street
> Riverdale, MD 20737
> 301-405-0656
> engagedu.umd.edu
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:37:45 -0400
> From: "Mike McGrath" <MikeMcG at PTD.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] path construction
> To: "Vinnie Bevivino" <bevivino at umd.edu>,
> <community_garden at list.communitygarden.org>
> Message-ID: <001701c890f2$0d03fe30$3400a8c0 at mikedell4100>
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> 1) My first thought is that you should never have paid anything for
> woodchips. They cost a fortune to landfill and people are often paid to take
> them--not the other way around.
>
> 2) My inbox is filled with horror stories about landscaping fabric--weeds
> growing through it and then it being impossible to remove. hope you fare
> better.
>
> 3) I love the wood idea! Philadelphia used to have several streets made of
> wood.
>
> ----Mike McG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vinnie Bevivino" <bevivino at umd.edu>
> To: <community_garden at list.communitygarden.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:31 PM
> Subject: [Community_garden] path construction
>
>
>
>> We're redoing our paths at the Master Peace Community Garden, and I
>> wanted to ask what people have had success with.
>>
>> Last year, our first year, we made woodchip paths, both wide "main"
>> paths for wheelbarrows, and woodchip "secondary" paths to divide the
>> plots. We had a hard time fighting bermuda grass, and the problem is
>> that it just grows through the woodchips and when you weed them half
>> of the woodchips ends up underground. We wasted a lot of expensive
>> woodchips this way last year. We have rebuilt out "main" paths using
>> landscaping fabric with woodchips on them, and then lined with brick.
>> But we're scratching our heads about the "secondary" paths that serve
>> as borders between the paths.
>>
>> Our best idea is to use 10x2 lumber, laid right on the ground. We
>> have a local store that sells reclaimed wood from deconstructed
>> buildings, and its great hard wood, not treated. It would presumably
>> last for a long time (5 years?). It gives us the weed protection, and
>> the semi-permanence (we can move it around if we want, but it isn't
>> going anywhere). Its also fairly cheap.
>>
>> Does anyone else have any better ideas? Has anything worked, or not
>> worked, in hotter areas that have horrible weed problems?
>>
>> Thanks a lot,
>>
>> Vinnie Bevivino
>> Community Garden Educator
>> The Engaged University
>> Food Stamp Nutrition Education Program
>> University of Maryland
>>
>> The Center for Educational Partnership
>> 6200 Sheridan Street
>> Riverdale, MD 20737
>> 301-405-0656
>> engagedu.umd.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:50:36 -0300
> From: "Liesel Carlsson" <lieselcarlsson at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Community_garden] Composting at school
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> Hi all,
> I am working with a school that has a small food garden with an on
> site compost bin. The school is renewing their efforts to sort their waste,
> and would like to start dumping classroom and cafeteria scraps into the
> compost bin, for later use in the garden, of course.
>
> Separating waste in the classroom is challenging enough without having to
> create two separate compost bins: one with meat and other smelly stuff that
> attracts rodents, and one with less stinky stuff.
>
> I would like to draw on the wisdom of those of you engaged in gardening at
> schools. Can we dump all the compostables in our bin, turkey sandwhich
> scraps and all?
>
> Thanks kindly,
> Liesel
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:09:46 -0400
> From: "Mike McGrath" <MikeMcG at PTD.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Composting at school
> To: "Liesel Carlsson" <lieselcarlsson at gmail.com>,
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> yikes! Food waste won't compost by itself; it just turns into a stinky mess.
> You need a secure location, large amounts of brown matter and constant
> turning to prevent meat and other non-veggie food waste from turning into a
> major vermin and filth fly problem. (Or indoor worm bins.)
>
> www.jgpress.com has some journals and publications that explain this in
> depth. And you can look under "C" here for some of my basic composting info:
> http://www.gardensalive.com/article_mcgrath.asp?ai=4&bhcd2=1206731270
>
> ===Mike McG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Liesel Carlsson" <lieselcarlsson at gmail.com>
> To: <community_garden at list.communitygarden.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:50 PM
> Subject: [Community_garden] Composting at school
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>
>> Hi all,
>> I am working with a school that has a small food garden with an on
>> site compost bin. The school is renewing their efforts to sort their
>> waste,
>> and would like to start dumping classroom and cafeteria scraps into the
>> compost bin, for later use in the garden, of course.
>>
>> Separating waste in the classroom is challenging enough without having to
>> create two separate compost bins: one with meat and other smelly stuff
>> that
>> attracts rodents, and one with less stinky stuff.
>>
>> I would like to draw on the wisdom of those of you engaged in gardening at
>> schools. Can we dump all the compostables in our bin, turkey sandwhich
>> scraps and all?
>>
>> Thanks kindly,
>> Liesel
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:17:23 -0700
> From: "Ray Schutte" <rayschutte at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] path construction
> To: "'Mike McGrath'" <MikeMcG at PTD.net>, "'Vinnie Bevivino'"
> <bevivino at umd.edu>, <community_garden at list.communitygarden.org>
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> Bermuda grass will find the edges, find light and start to grow in the wood
> chips and into your gardens. All is not lost.
>
> You will have to diligently watch the edges and remove the grass white root
> and all to get it under control, Every piece of root will sprout new
> growth. It is really not as hard as it seems, it just require persistence.
>
> I have had good luck using cardboard covered with chips. (its free) you can
> get big heavy sheets like what is used to package bicycles and
> refrigerators. The cardboard prevents light from reaching the grass and
> hence it dies of starvation. You sill have to watch the edges and if the
> grass comes back in a couple of years, repeat the process.
>
> I agree with Mike you should not have to pay for chips, unless you are
> really into designer chips, ie controlled sizes and specific species.
>
> Ray Schutte
>
> "The truth of the matter is that the flower has cleverly manipulated the bee
> into hauling its pollen from blossom to blossom." The Botany of Desire,
> Michael Pollan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: community_garden-bounces at list.communitygarden.org
> [mailto:community_garden-bounces at list.communitygarden.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> McGrath
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:38 AM
> To: Vinnie Bevivino; community_garden at list.communitygarden.org
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] path construction
>
> 1) My first thought is that you should never have paid anything for
> woodchips. They cost a fortune to landfill and people are often paid to take
>
> them--not the other way around.
>
> 2) My inbox is filled with horror stories about landscaping fabric--weeds
> growing through it and then it being impossible to remove. hope you fare
> better.
>
> 3) I love the wood idea! Philadelphia used to have several streets made of
> wood.
>
> ----Mike McG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vinnie Bevivino" <bevivino at umd.edu>
> To: <community_garden at list.communitygarden.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:31 PM
> Subject: [Community_garden] path construction
>
>
>
>> We're redoing our paths at the Master Peace Community Garden, and I
>> wanted to ask what people have had success with.
>>
>> Last year, our first year, we made woodchip paths, both wide "main"
>> paths for wheelbarrows, and woodchip "secondary" paths to divide the
>> plots. We had a hard time fighting bermuda grass, and the problem is
>> that it just grows through the woodchips and when you weed them half
>> of the woodchips ends up underground. We wasted a lot of expensive
>> woodchips this way last year. We have rebuilt out "main" paths using
>> landscaping fabric with woodchips on them, and then lined with brick.
>> But we're scratching our heads about the "secondary" paths that serve
>> as borders between the paths.
>>
>> Our best idea is to use 10x2 lumber, laid right on the ground. We
>> have a local store that sells reclaimed wood from deconstructed
>> buildings, and its great hard wood, not treated. It would presumably
>> last for a long time (5 years?). It gives us the weed protection, and
>> the semi-permanence (we can move it around if we want, but it isn't
>> going anywhere). Its also fairly cheap.
>>
>> Does anyone else have any better ideas? Has anything worked, or not
>> worked, in hotter areas that have horrible weed problems?
>>
>> Thanks a lot,
>>
>> Vinnie Bevivino
>> Community Garden Educator
>> The Engaged University
>> Food Stamp Nutrition Education Program
>> University of Maryland
>>
>> The Center for Educational Partnership
>> 6200 Sheridan Street
>> Riverdale, MD 20737
>> 301-405-0656
>> engagedu.umd.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Linda Casto <lindacasto7430 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] path construction
> To: Ray Schutte <rayschutte at comcast.net>, 'Mike McGrath'
> <MikeMcG at PTD.net>, 'Vinnie Bevivino' <bevivino at umd.edu>,
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> We use a heavy layer of newspaper under wood chips on our secondary paths. I like the idea of cardboard better though so I'm going to have our "I can find anything you need" person get busy looking for it.
>
> We've never paid for wood chips either. We have 4 2-ton dump trucks of the stuff sitting behind the shed right now waiting for us to move it onto the paths. More is on the way if we need it. Try local arborists, your local forestry department or the folks who do tree removal for utility companies for a great source of free wood chips.
>
> Linda Casto
> Columbus, Ohio
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> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:05:50 EDT
> From: GivenTrees at aol.com
> Subject: [Community_garden] Wood Chips
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> I have a question concerning wood chips, particularly here in Colorado where
> the pine beetle rages out of control regardless of chemical applications.
> It seems most if not all of the tons and tons of free wood chips come from
> those beetle infected trees. Now, in efforts to get rid of this stuff we are
> being told that
> a) the beetle and or larvae do not survive the chipping process and that
> b) there is no danger of contamination from previous years, sometime
> decades, of these trees being sprayed with a wide array of chemicals designed to
> kill this insect and it's larvae.
>
> I've seriously wondered about this. Large commercial chippers leave some
> pretty large pieces of wood uneaten. Wouldn't it stand to reason that the chips
> provided by these trees then just continue to spread the beetles? And then
> where are all the so called inert chemicals supposed to go?
> Curious in Colorado
> Tina
>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:39:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Linda Casto <lindacasto7430 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Composting at school
> To: Mike McGrath <MikeMcG at PTD.net>, Liesel Carlsson
> <lieselcarlsson at gmail.com>, community_garden at list.communitygarden.org
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> I vote for vermiculture (worm bins). Lots and lots of teachable moments here with the wonderful benefit of worm castings to enrich your garden soil and, as the worms multiply, either a source of income (sell them) or turn the extras loose in your garden.
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> Thanks for the idea Mr. McG. I'm going to see if I can talk our daycare into vermiculture.
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